LT and IT update

My LT indicators remain in a bear zone and i eventually expect SPX to tag SPX 1170 +/- 20 points. No change there.

The IT picture here is very interesting to say the least. I have two counts here.

The first count says we have topped in wave X and about to commence the next big leg down. If this were true, then we should take out the MCO lows of 1/22/08, which is not very far below. My only concern with this count is that the upside wave X did not even tag the mid-line of the bollinger bands on the weekly charts. That's very unusual even for a bear market and is characteristic of an extremely weak market.



My second count says we are close to concluding wave b of X and then another run-up to SPX 1420-30 area (wave c of X) to tag the mid-line of the Bollinger bands on the weekly charts, before the big leg commences. Note that both the NYSE breadth and Vol MCOs took out the 2/22 lows. So it's very likely even with this count that we see further weakness down into SPX 1310-1316area, before the wave c of X begins.




Which count Jose ? I have no idea at this point unless we get more information. E-waves are roadmaps and not trading signals. Watch your hourly indicators for bottoming action before jumping long, even if you beleive in the bullish count. Hourly is decisively down at this point and no buy signals there. If you truly beleive that we are headed to SPX 1430 area, then why the hurry to catch a falling knife ? Wait for a hourly buy which could come 15-20 points above. Missing the bottom 15 points ain't shabby if you are looking for a 100 point trade. Good luck !

The big picture ! - LT sell

Prior e-wave projection

Back in Sep 2006, on this blog, i had posted the e-wave projection for the final bull market top as SPX 1620. But given the 3-legged structure from Aug 07 bottom, i was still giving the benefit of doubt for another run-up to SPX 1620 in 2008, to complete the pattern. I was wrong. My LT system issued a sell on Jan 16, which now precludes any run-up to new highs anytime soon. The e-wave failure or truncation resulted in a bull market top at 1576. I missed my projection by about 40 points, which is insignificant for a LT type of projection. It's not about being right or wrong here. Even if i were dead right on my target, i would still have got a LT sell only about 10-15% down from the top. You don't get LT bearish confirmation at the tops.

LT sell





As i posted here on Jan 16 08, my system went to a long term sell after breaking the Aug 07 lows. Some recent history on this LT system.

Nov 2000 - SPX 1365 - LT sell. SPX declined to 768 subsequently.
June 2003 - SPX 988 - LT buy. SPX ran up to 1576 after this LT buy. About 60% run-up.
Jan 16, 08 - SPX 1370 - LT sell.

Now since the last LT buy back in 2003, SPX has had one heck of a bull run of about 60%. Now the LT sell has been generated at about 12% from the top. So giving up 12% of the profits from a 60% run-up is not a bad deal, if one views it from a LT perspective. The LT sell during 2000 was also generated from about 11% from the top.

If one were a ST trader, my ST sell would have gotten one out of the market right near the top on Oct 11 - ST sell posted by me on TT.

http://www.traders-talk.com/mb2/index.php?showtopic=77295&hl=

If one were a IT term trader, my IT sell would have gotten one out of the market at 1480 on Nov 11 - IT sell posted on traders-talk

http://www.traders-talk.com/mb2/index.php?showtopic=78887&hl=

So bottomline, it depends on the timeframe one is trading and how much drawdown one is willing to take. LT signals is of no use to traders. It's mostly for LT investor types.

This LT signal is based on three factors. All three conditions need to be satisfied.

1) My bull-bear indicator moving above zero for LT buy or moving below zero for LT sell.
2) Lower lows on weekly for a LT sell and higher highs on weekly for a LT buy.
3) A potentially completed e-wave pattern.

Amazingly, all the three factors came into play right about at the same time. That's what makes TA fascinating !


E-wave details






I was working with an assumption that we were in a Primary degree wave B from March 03 bottom. Given that i now have a LT sell and a potentially completed wave pattern, i have to now radically alter my wavecount, in the light of newly presented information. Waves are dynamic structures, which evolve over time. Now there is no way, i can call this structure a A-B-C pattern from the Oct 02 lows, without violating all the channel rules and e-wave time rules and compromising on the structural integrity of the wave pattern. I am not going to do that to justify my bias or to stubbornly prove my original thesis. Instead, i am changing my wavecount, that the wave from oct 02 was a Primary degree wave 1 impulse, with a wave 5 extension. So we in a primary degree wave 2 bear trend at this stage, until proven otherwise. The implication is that the Oct 02 bottom was a cycle degree wave 4bottom, which should not be violated for decades to come.

The first thrust (Wave 1) from the Oct 02 bottom generated a MACD reading of -14.3. The subsequent thrust (wave 3) generated a MACD reading of 39.58, which has never been exceed throughout the course of the bull market, even after the huge impulse from mid-2006. That pretty much confirms that 2004 peak was indeed the wave 3. Wave 5 generated a peak MACD reading of 37.27, which diverged negatively with the wave 3 peak, characteristic of wave 5. Now we have a situation where wave 1 < wave 3 < wave 5 which says wave 5 extended.

Price Projections Now typically, impulses once completed, retrace back to wave 4 of a lesser degree, which in this case comes around SPX 1170. The measured move objective for a potential double top at Oct 07 also generates an objective of 1170. So the preliminary price objective for the Primary degree wave 2 should be around SPX 1170 +/- 20 points. Whether further downside projections will be generated, will be determined if and when we get there.

Time Projections

Since there is no clear defined time relationship between wave 1 and wave 2, it's hard to come up with a time projection for wave 2. If it's a violent decline, we could see all this over in about 6-8 months. If it's a slow bleed with deep retracements, it could run all the way into 2010. I am not going to hazard a guess on that.


Signal Status

At this point all my systems from VST to LT remain on a sell. Remember in the context of this LT sell, we will have some large and vicious bear market rallies. But rallies should not make any new bull market highs, but a series of lower tops.

Implications of a LT sell

Now that we are in a bear market as opposed to a IT bear trend, this should lead to softening economic conditions going forward, and possibly a recession. Also, as long as the LT buy was alive, one could sit on drawdowns and hope for the LT trend to bail them out of the drawdown situations. One could also average down on IT term declines. Now that the LT is on a sell, drawdowns can lead to further drawdowns and averaging down can be a potentially losing strategy. Also now all signals will have to be intrepreted in the context of a bear market.

And again the "End of America" and the collapse of the Roman empire arguments will start to take centrestage as the bear market unfolds. The argument about emergence of China and India as the next economic superpowers will start to gain strength. The deflationary collapse and "Great depression" arguments will be accepted and dreaded. Those who hung out on the longwaves.net during the 2002 bottom know pretty well how convincing they look and how wrong they turn out to be. If anything this wave 2 will generate fear levels worse than the bottom of Oct 02. Those fear levels should present an opportunity of lifetime for the wholesalers to pick up the bargains once again, as has always happened in the history. But for the retailers with not that deep pockets, it's prudent to remain patient and let the bear play out and wait for the next LT buy confirmation.

Good luck.

LT sell

I will post a detailed update during the weekend. For now, it's suffice to say the break of the Aug lows and my bull-bear market indicator crossing below zero has signalled a LT sell.

Oh my... !

The decline from July 07 top concluded as 3 waves. The next upleg from Aug 07 to Oct 07 was another 3 wave structure. The subsequent decline from Oct 07 is also a 3 wave structure so far. So no impusive action so far from July 07, from either a bullish or bearish perspective. That's why i give the benefit of doubt to a high level consolidation here.

The most striking feature is the irregular top on Oct 11. Irregular tops are bullish e-wave structures and they resolve upwards after the correction is over. The only way a 3-legged wave can be called the ultimate bull market top is if one subscribes to the truncation theory. If one theorizes that Oct 11 ended in a failure, then we could say that it was a major bull market top. But the truncation theory ends up wrong more than 9 out of 10 times. So it's hard to go with the truncation theory. A failure or truncation means the bearish forces were so overwhelming that the market could not reach it's logical conclusion i.e could not complete it's wave pattern. Now if it were true, then the subsequent decline from Oct 07 top should have been more violent than the rally from Aug 07 bottom. This is not the case as seen from the angle of decline or the time taken to retrace the the rally from Aug bottom. So the truncation theory is pretty hollow!

Now here's the "Oh my...." part.




My momentum indicator which demarcates the bull-bear market stopped right near the zero line as of this week's close. Oh my...

That also coincided with a climactic reversal in the form of penentration of the weekly bollinger bands and a reversal out of it. The BB penetration and reversal have market all the IT bottoms since the bull market begun in 2003. Oh my...

The decline from July 07 top to Aug 07 bottom took 5 weeks. The rally from Aug 07 bottom to Oct 07 top took 9 weeks. That's a total of 14 weeks for A+B. The decline from Oct 07 to date has taken 14 weeks. A+B = C. Oh my....

Can you call the bull dead ? You be the judge ! I am just presenting the TA case for a incomplete bull market.

My ST to IT indicators remain on a sell signal. If we get a strong rally accompanied with strong volume and breadth, then we could generate an IT buy signal next week. If we crap out here yet again, then the bear market case will start strengthening again. The market is currently wearing out both the bulls and bears. The violent snapbacks have killed the stubborn bears. The spectacular rally failures have killed the stubborn bulls. If one thing everyone is sure of in this environment is failures - both rallies and declines. Strong trending moves come out of this kind of environment. Be prepared !

IT sell signal

What a difference a day makes!. The inability of the market to recover after filling the ES 1436 gap and a lack of strong reversal EOD, caused some massive technical failure on weekly charts. Now we have serious momentum failure on the weekly charts. If we break the Nov 26 lows, we would also have to deal with a pattern failure (triangle pattern). The ball is now clearly in the bears court and i am bearish here. No reason whatsoever to be bullish.

So, now are we in a bear market ? Not yet. Not according to my indicators. Not until this indicator crosses below zero.



Don't get me wrong. I am bearish here, but an IT downtrend does not make it a bear market. Aug 04, April 05, Oct 05, June 06 have all had the same kind of momentum breakdown/configuration on the weekly charts. But they all resolved to the upside. The arguments then, were same as now. Internals breaking down, fundamentals (like credit mess, impending derivative implosion, consumer tapped out etc...). The fundmental arguments have no credibility left in so far as calling the bear market, cuz the market has rallied for 4 years in the face the same fundamentals or the fundamental expectations. Now during all those IT bottoms, it was the same sentiment on the message boards and among the market advisors. That any recovery back to the bull side was improbable and the bear market was inevitable. Clearly it was a wrong assumption in all the 4 instances. My indicator and my methodology has kept me on the right side so far and it also takes away any emotional reponse to market action and popular herding behaviour out of the equation.

What will create a bear market here ? IMO, three things need to happen here. The massive larger degree consolidation pattern or the topping pattern, as the case maybe, is yet to be resolved. A break of Aug 07 lows will resolve it to the bear side. A break of Aug lows would mean that we finally have bottoms below bottoms on the weekly chart. That's an unequivocal bear trend. That would also put to rest any bullish e-wave pattern arguments. That would also pull my LT indicator into the bear territory. Right now the jury is still out, but time to be very cautious on long side as the market has a serious chance of a collapse....

Case for an IT bottom

On 11/7 after breaking below my SPX 1480 IT pivot, we had entered a IT downtrend. Now the SPX 1480 has been captured on a weekly closing basis. Coincident with the price close, all my daily and weekly indicators have turned up and based on my weekly indicators i have a IT buy signal at today's close. The daily and weekly are both turning up at the same time, which makes it a combo buy signal, which tend to be powerful signals. Since i cannot fully disclose my system and its rules, here are a few charts to make a case for an IT buy signal.

On the daily charts, this slow MACD has issued a buy signal at the close today.




On the Daily charts, we are coming out of an oversold area, based on this oversold/overbought indicator.





On the weekly charts, the CCI crossed over above -100. We had a nice outside reversal day on the weekly charts. XLF, the beaten down financial sector also had a outside reversal day on the weekly charts.





The NYSE MCO had a nice breadth thrust and the summation is now pointing up. Also note the positive MCO divergences with Aug 07 lows.




Lastly, the 10 day SMA of adv-decl made a nice divergent bottom relative to Aug 07 lows and has now moved above zero.




Now the perversity of the markets should show up it's face next week. I am sure a lot of newsletter writers will be issuing buy signals to their subscribers today. How do you unload all the newly minted bulls ? - Good old stlye shakeout. After a day or two of move to the upside next week, we should see a good sized shakeout after which the IT uptrend should continue. I would expect SPX 1460 to hold on any shakeout/pullback.

Bear market - Nah !

The message boards are raging with talk of bear market, recession, Super cycle top et al. Nothing new there. It's what that's been going on over the full length of this bull market.

Emotions aside, i am posting a chart here with an indicator that i use to objectively define a bull and a bear market. Until this indicator turns below zero, there's no bear market, the way i define it. Again, remember this is a long term indicator and should not be used for ST to IT term timing purposes, unless one is ready to take a 15-20% drawdown. Right now we are in a intermediate term correction and it should be respected, if one is trading that timeframe.





Based on this indicator, in the last two decades, there have been three minor bear trends 1987, 1990 and 2000. 1987 and 1990 conincided with minor bear trends and economic softness. 2000 was a major bear market in stocks which coincided with a full blown recession. This indicator signaled a bear market in Nov 2000 and turned back in June 2003, which signalled the end of bear market. It's always better to be late in calling a bear market than earlier. Public memory is short. Those who claim to have called the 2000 top were the same folks who have been calling it since 1995 and some from late 80s. There are a few exceptions who called it in 98 and 99 and were vindicated in 2000. My point is "Don't be eager in calling a bear market" as the bull market topping is multi-year process. It's better to be 6 months late rather a few years earlier as the opportunity cost of not riding the bull market is too much and the associated psychological stress of being early and wrong in calling a top is just not worth it.

Looking at my indicator, during the great bull market of 90s, the first set of divergences started appearing in Oct 1997. We got a decent correction and the Osc moved to new highs. The next set of divergences apeared in July of 1998. We got a big correction and moved to new highs on the Osc in 1999. From July 1999, there were a series of lower low on the Osc with higher highs on indices. The increase in volatility, accompanied by a series of divergences was indicative of a maturing bull cycle. My LT indicators are in a configuration similar to where we were in July-Aug 1999.

Looking at my long term indicators and some divergences on the long term charts, i have to say the BULL market is maturing and in it's final stages. Nothing has changed as far as my LT e-wave count is concerned and i still expect SPX 1800 by 2009, before it's all said and done. My indicators remain in a bull market zone and i have a incomplete wave count to contend with. So the implication is the bull market will continue. Currently we are in a intermediate correction which started on Oct 11. I expect new ATH on SPX once the IT correction is over.

As for the recession talk, it's something that's been going on for the last 4 years. 2004, we were supposed to enter a recession. Then it got moved to 2005. 2006 was supposed to be a no brainer recession. 2007, there was no escape. And here we are in 2007 and the U.S GDP is growing at 3.9%. The emerging markets continue to grow at 9-10%. I am no economic expert. So i will listen to the stock market to signal a recession, instead of listening to the economic professors who have predicted the last few recessions that never occurred!

As for the Super cycle top and Grand Super cycle top and "End of America" arguments, it may not happen in many of our lifetimes.

LT market thoughts - Update 2

Last i updated my LT thoughts here

http://nav-ta.blogspot.com/2007_07_15_archive.html


While the overall outlook and direction of the long term hasn't changed a bit, i will have to change the labelling a bit. LT remains very bullish at least until late 2008-2009 as i have been saying for the last couple of years.

Intially my guess was the large correction from the July 2007 top was a X-wave. If it was a X-wave, SPX should not have made new ATH after the Aug 07 bottom, rather should have made a lower high vis-a-vis the July 07 highs and made a trip down to about SPX 1320. That would have made it structurally look like a wave-X and also would have satisfied the price and time requirements. Now the entire correction from July 07 to Aug 07 looks so small in terms of both price and time (relative to the entire rally from March 2003 to July 2007), one can conclude that rally from June 2006 is extending. That means the intermedite wave C of Primary degree wave C is still extending. So to put it simply Aug 07 was a wave 2 bottom of the intermediate term wave C from June 2006. As simple as that. If it's not clear, take a look at the chart.

Now that brings us to the projections. If wave C = 1.618 * wave A, then we should achieve SPX 1830 by late 2008 to early 2009. SPX 1850 also happens to be the 1.38 times Fib extension target for the entire decline from 2000-2002. So we should top the bull market from 2003, somewhere in the vicinity of SPX 1830-1850. Now that's the minimum projection. It could be higher if the waves extend. I will update as time goes by. By 2009, most of the bearish caucus would have been worn out both psychologically and financially, paving the way for a huge bear market in Primary degree wave C.

Again, since we are now dealing with wave iii of an intermediate wave 3, it ain't gonna be a pony ride. It's gonna be a bucking bronco, with scary volatility. The ST volatility cannot be predicted with just e-waves alone, but by supplementing it with various ST technical tools. But overall the LT direction remains up and is very bullish at this point, based on the wave structure.


My last LT update can be found here.

E-wave count

On Sep 1, wrote...

Bullish argument is different and bullish cheerleading and talking positions that happen on message boards are different. Once a weekly buy gets generated, we don't go to the sky directly, like many to-da-moon theorists opine. There are many hiccups on the way and some very scary. Markets are perverse. The first buy on any timeframe generally resolves in the opposite direction. It's for a simple reason, cuz every amateur joe is aware of that and every guru and newsletter writers keep pounding on those facts. That's what causes the amateur traders to come and regurgitate some popular guru opinion on message boards. Now guess what the pros do. They fade that common perception, instill fear by scary selloff, get everyone lean on the wrong side, make them disbeleive their gurus, and then take off.

What's the trade for a ST swing trader (houry swing trader) here ? - IMO it's a unwavering short


Before i proceed, i just want to say that i will not be posting any of my VST stuff on this blog. It's hard for me to continually update this blog during the trading day. Those interested in my VST stuff or trades, i will be posting them on traders-talk.com. My orginal intention was to only post IT and LT thoughts on this blog, and i will stick with that.




So the selloff came like a clockwork. What's next ? I see two possible wave counts at this juncture. Those who make fun of alternate counts firstly don't understand the basic principle of TA, which is probabilistic prediction of future prices. The primary wavecount is that wave c of an irregular flat ended on friday and we take off on Monday without looking back. The only fly in the ointment is that we broke that channel on an hourly closing basis on Friday, which makes me wonder if the market wants to probe lower levels ( SPX 1420), which is my alternate count. Which one ? At this point, i have no idea. We'll know the answers on Monday.

If the primary count is true, we are headed to SPX 1560 for the wave C up. If the alternate count is true, the price projection for wave C would be around 1530. Timewise, i am looking for mid-october for this price projection.

Goog luck trading everyone !

Morning thoughts - 9/5/07

The large gap-down on ES, which is currently trading at 1479 will most certainly push my 120-min indicators to a sell at the open. So the trade is "Swing short". Since i would need a large stop of about 20 points to take this trade, i will wait for some sort of bounce to develop and incrementally start building a swing short position.


1:00 Est update

Something doesn't seem right here to short this market. The market was overbought yesterday on the hourly. It was all reset with just one gap-down. Now the hourly momentum is turning back up from oversold levels and the 60-min uptrend is still intact. That's generally a bear-trap. I went long some ETFs and options around SPX 1473 levels. If we break below intraday lows, then i am wrong and will flip short.

9/4/07 - Closing thoughts

As i posted in my morning thoughts, an hourly close above SPX 1484 would cause the market to challenge the next zone of resitance, which currently lies between SPX 1505 and 1512. The ideal target would be SPX 1512. But my experience has been, when the message boards are all abuzz with the same targets, it generally gets undershot or vastly overshot.

It was a good daytrading day on the long side. As for the short swing setup that i was expecting, it just did not materialize.

This market is very strong. The NYSE breadth MCO made another new highs today. This is telling us in no uncertain terms that any pullback that comes along should be bought. Remember for a swing long, we need a selloff, just like a swing short requires a rally. The selloff could be a shallow one in terms of price, but needs to be deep in terms of oscillators. Until that occurs, going swing long at these levels is a sure recipe for a whipsaw. Based on my indicators, we are somewhere around 80-90% done for this hourly swing. Tommorow 10:30 Est could generate some short setup. We'll see...

With all the hoopla out there, the daily trend on SPX still remains down. The hourly and 120-min trends are up, which is what is driving this swing. Blindly shorting a market whose 120-min trend is up, just because the daily trend is down, is plain dangerous. Patience is required here for shorts.

For now, i will daytrade the long side and will be on a lookout to short for a swing trade, when the setup arrives. I will post it real-time here, when that happens.

Good luck.

Morning thoughts...

We did not get a 120-min sell at 10:30 Est CIT. So i will have to wait, until a proper setup arrives to short this market. Will continue to remain flat until such setup arrives. An hourly close above SPX 1484, then the next resistance would be SPX 1500-1505.

A swing trader's case

I am expecting a selloff next week and it should start from the get-go on Tuesday. My expectation is for a test or a slight break of the 8/28 lows. 30-min, 60-min, 120-min momentum were all flashing warning signs on Friday, with 30-min already on a sell. Had it not been for the long weekend, i would shorted the close for a swing trade.

The bullish argument certainly has merit here. We have seen that massive breadth spike on the NYSE MCO. Now the NYSE 5% and 10% components are above zero. The weekly CCI is above -100. As of the close of this week, we got "All clear" signal for IT longs for the first time since 8/16 lows.

Bullish argument is different and bullish cheerleading and talking positions that happen on message boards are different. Once a weekly buy gets generated, we don't go to the sky directly, like many to-da-moon theorists opine. There are many hiccups on the way and some very scary. Markets are perverse. The first buy on any timeframe generally resolves in the opposite direction. It's for a simple reason, cuz every amateur joe is aware of that and every guru and newsletter writers keep pounding on those facts. That's what causes the amateur traders to come and regurgitate some popular guru opinion on message boards. Now guess what the pros do. They fade that common perception, instill fear by scary selloff, get everyone lean on the wrong side, make them disbeleive their gurus, and then take off.

Any professional swing trader worth his salt would not base his ST trades on IT indicators. One has to trade the timeframe of one's chosing. What's the trade for a ST swing trader (houry swing trader) here ? - IMO it's a unwavering short, unless there is a monster gap-up on Tuesday. So barring a big gap-up on Tuesday, i will be shorting this market for a swing trade.

Will try to update my blog on a regular basis going forward.

Good luck everyone.

Retest time ?

I will keep it simple. As i commented in my last post, we found support in the SPX 1360-90 area and bounced. Is the bounce for real ? Maybe !. But so far there's no evidence that the bottom is in. I need to see the weekly CCI move back above -100 and the NYSE MCO 5% and 10% components move above zero to assert a traedable bottom has been seen. We should know the answer to that in about a week.Right now it's retest time and i would expect at least a test of 1410-20 area sometime this week. The "Fed bottom" (8/16) should not be violated in any case here, which would be very bearish. Even if we violate the 8/16 bottom by a tick, the next target would be SPX 1320-30. So essentially we remain in a volatile environment, where one could be a genius one day and the monkey the next day. Will continue to play both sides, with a bearish slant this week.

E-wave count with 9 month cycles

I am no cycle expert and the only cycle that i follow is the 9 month cycle. The last wave B bottom in June 2006 was a 9 month cycle bottom off of which this wave C impulse began, based on my phasing. Given that we have seen the largest monthly candle since the rally begun in 2003, it is safe to conclude that Phase I of the bull (A-B-C) is now complete. What follows the wave C is the wave X, in a complex correction. March 2007 was the second 9 month cycle bottom since June 2006, when we concluded the mini-panic. The next 9 month cycle is ideally due around Dec 2007.




If my count is right, we should find a good traedable bottom soemtime this week or early next week in the SPX 1360-1390 area, which should conclude wave A of X and begin a wave B of X bounce. Wave B of X bounce should consume roughly 10 weeks into late Oct 2007 and then a wave C of X decline into Dec 2007, which should conclude in the SPX 1320-1330 area (near the wave b channel top). Once the wave X concludes, we should begin another multi-year advance into 2009 (phase II of bull market).


In case we go straight up from here and take out the July highs on SPX, then it means that wave X already bottomed and phase II of bull has already begun. That would also mean my 9 month cycle phasing is wrong. It will be interesting next few months....

Bottom spotter fails

I posted the bottom spotter signal here a few days back. It's only appropriate for me to update it, since it failed. The signal failed when it took out the Aug 6 lows. Now we have a open ended risk again here with that broad area of support into focus again - SPX 1360-1410.

I see two possibilites here. A washout move i.e a drop of 30-50 SPX points today and a reversal, which would create a nice IT bottom. Instead if we begin a sharp rally from the get go, then a ST low will be confirmed setting the stage for a couple of weeks of rally and then another retest probably in late Sep or Oct. Which one ? It's too early to say. I would prefer a washout here, in which case i would load up on LEAP calls heavily. But then, everyone wants it. Markets are perverse.

All said and done, we continue to remain in a LT bull market. Nothing has changed in that regard. The only sectors currently in a bear market are HGX and REITs. I woudn't touch these sectors even with a 10 foot pole, at this stage of the game.

The bottom is in !

Odss are about 80% that a major bottom is in as of 8/10/07 close. The fear mongering by the media has reached epic proportions. Massive fear levels as measured by the VIX. The most important divergence showed up on Friday, for keen observers of the market, when the VIX made new highs, but the SPX failed to take out the 8/6/07 lows. Now my call for a bottom here is not based on sentiment (although it's highly supportive), but based on pure technical analysis.

I have two charts here.





Let's look at the first chart of SPX between 1991 and 2000, which was a major bull market. I am using 1991 as a starting point because that was the beginning of the bull market based on my weekly momentum work. From a price perspective 1987 was the bottom, but from a weekly momentum perspective, 1991 was the bottom. The momentum confirmation for the bull run came only during 1991. There were three instances, during this period, when the weekly CCI on SPX went below -200. Once the CCI hooked back above -200, a bottom was confirmed and the market never took out those lows again, except 1998. A hook back above -200 is a prelimnary confirmation and is reserved for aggressive bottom pickers. A more solid confirmation comes when the weekly CCI hooks above -100. 3 out of 4 times, the -200 hook marked the bottom. That's 75% odds, between 1991 and 2000 !




Now let's look at the second chart. 2000-2003 was a major bear market. There were two instances during this period when the weekly CCI went below -200 and hooked up. In both the cases, after the CCI hooked-up above -200, the hook-up was a fakeout and there were serious price retests. So during the bear phase, the hookups failed with 100% odds.

Now during the 2003-2007 bull market, there have been two instances when the CCI went below -200 and hooked up. 2005 and now in 2007. 2005 hook-up, the market never looked back.

So the bottomline is, during the bullmarkets, looking at about 16 years of price history, this signal has suceeded 4 of 5 times. That's 80% odds of marking a bottom. During the bear phase, it has 100% odds of failure. Given that the weekly 8 EMA is still above the 34 EMA on the weekly charts and we have classic bottoms above bottoms on the weekly charts, it's undeniable that we are in a major bull market. So i am sticking my neck out and calling 8/10/07 as a major bottom. I could be wrong, but that's what my work says. Since it's only 80% odds (and not 100%), have stops in place, just in case....


As for the VST, i have a weak countertrend buy from friday, which i posted on traders-talk.com. It better be a weak buy, coming out of a major panic low.

LT and IT thoughts

Last time i updated my LT thoughts, i said, we were close to completing the Phase I of the bull market, around SPX 1620 level and by Oct-Nov 2007.

http://nav-ta.blogspot.com/2007/07/lt-market-thoughts-update-1.html

I was wrong on both the counts, in that, the SPX topped at 1555.90 and 3 months ahead of my time projection. The final wave 5 of C, which i thought at time would reach 1620, happened to be a muted one. I posted at that time that the dreaded X-wave would follow after the wave C of Primary degree wave B ends. Given that we have seen the largest monthly bar after the rally begun in 2003, i have no doubts that we are already in that wave X.

It's hard to pinpoint a target with accuracy at this point as to where the wave X would end. My preliminary guess would be around SPX 1360-1410, based on how the wave is unfolding. We still need to see a reaction on the weekly charts that fails, to come up with a proper price projection low for this wave X.

From a LT perspective this bull market is far from over. In fact, if anything the bear market of 2007 is coming close to an end. Yes we may have another month or so pain and another 50-100 SPX points downside. But a major bull market (phase II and final phase of the bull market from 2003) should begin after that.




Looking at the weekly charts, we have seen the most intense downside momentum since 1994. We know what happened after that. That's right. A reading of -248.78 on SPX weekly on the CCI(14). Now here's what is more important. Even this kind of a nosebleed momentum has not turned the 8 ema below the 34 ema on the weekly charts, keeping the weekly uptrend intact. What does this say ? Two things - PANIC and Absence of any topping process ! Looking at the internal measures, relative to the price damage it's PANIC. The lack of topping process is also evident on the charts itself. A slow topping process would have rolled the 8 ema over and brought it closer to the 34 ema before the big selloff happened. In this case it was panic from day one and so far has shown no signs of any bottoming. That's the characteristic of X-waves. They show no topping action and they come out of the blue.

We have seen the worst of the internals. The internal and the momentum low for the market is in. Looking at the daily charts, we are approaching a ST low. We should rally here for a couple weeks and then dive off the cliff to a climactic price low. That should end the quick and dirty bear market of 2007. I expect phase II of the bull market into 2009-2010 thereafter. We'll see...

Approaching a major bottom.....

Let's establish the context first. On the weekly chart of the E-mini S&P 500, the bear market started in the fall of 2000 when the weekly MACD crossed below the zero line. The bear market ended in the summer of 2003, when the weekly MACD crossed over to the upside.That establishes the bull-bear context. Right now we are in the middle of a major bull market, notwithstanding expert opinions that it may have ended. The weekly MACD is still high up in the air, to call it done. For it to crossover below zero and enter a bear market, it takes many more months of bearish price action.

Before we extrapolate the trend and say the bear market has begun, let's ask, where exactly are we in the trend. The weekly momentum as measured by the CCI is now below 200. In all the instances, during the bull context, when the weekly CCI entered the -200 zone, the market bottomed within 1-2 weeks and the eventual price low was 10-20 SPX below the price low established during the week the CCI entered below 200. Even during the bear market (except one instance in 2001), the -200 CCI has marked major market bottoms. So again, we might be within 10-20 SPX points away from a major price bottom. Expect retests of this weekly low, a couple of times, over the next 1-2 weeks. Or maybe this time is different.....

LT market thoughts - Update 1

Back in 2007, i wrote about my LT market thoughts on this blog. What more appropriate time to review it, given that we made all time highs on SPX today.

http://nav-ta.blogspot.com/2006/09/long-term-market-thoughts.html

I wrote then...

We should begin a persistant market advance from 2007 in a wave C upmove. Wave C should take us to about SPX 1620 (if wave A = wave C) or about SPX 1860 (if wave C = 1.618 * wave A), before this BULL market tops out, most likely by late 2008 to early 2009. By then, most of the bearish caucus will have worn out/capitulated leading the way for a primary degree wave C decline.


My projection for S&P was 1620 by 2009. The wall of worry at that time for the market to climb, was pretty high, based on the usual factors - perceived deteriorating fundamentals, P/E ratio, declining housing market, Derivative implosion, Credit implosion etc. My forecast at that time would have probably brought out a chuckle to many. Once we broke above SPX 1388 on the weekly charts, it was clear that the market had begun a major advance out of the wave B sideways flag from 2004-2006. SPX cash 1388 was the wave B channel top, at the time we broke out above it. That signalled that we were in a intermediate term wave C. I was right on the price, but wrong on the timeframe. I was expecting this wave C to conclude somewhere in 2009 reaching it's projection of SPX 1620. Why do i keep talking about 2009 ? It's based on the time requirements for the primary degree wave B. If primary degree wave C were to make proper divergences on the monthly charts in the future, wave B should consume at least more than twice the amount of time consumed by wave A.



Based on how fast this wave structure unfolded towards it target, it now appears that SPX will reach 1620 by Oct-Nov 2007. This is very bullish long term. This only means that the targets were acheived ahead of time, and hence higher targets are now projected for 2009-2010 timeframe. So the only conclusion as a wave analyst at this time would be, we are close to concluding the Phase I of the bull market from 2003 (intermediate degree A-B-C rally), which should ideally happen around Oct-Nov 2007.




What follows an A-B-C is an X-wave. X-waves are rogue waves. They come out of the blue without any appropriate technical warnings. They also happen to appear when the tecnicals look the most bullish. They don't surface up on any divergent/weakening technicals. If i were to speculate, event risk would start growing after Nov 2007, based on the wave structure. Another hedge fund debacle, subprime lending crises, yen carry trade - Heck who knows ?. Once this wave X ends somewhere in 2008, another large persistent advance into 2009-2010 should take the market to another bull market high. How high ? I don't have any projections at this point, as that would enter the realm of crystalballing or astrology. Until we know how deep the wave X will turn out to be, it's impossible to make any meaningful projections. Ideally wave X should bottom around the SPX 1320 area and in no case below the 2006 4-year cycle bottom at SPX 1219. If the wave X happens to be based on an event, i am positive that Mr Bernanke would open the floodgates of liquidity again. The man who proclaimed that deflation is impossible in a fiat regime, will most certainly not allow it to happen without fighting it tooth and nail !. That should create a hyperinflationary advance into 2009-2010 where both the commodities and the stock market should go nuts, setting the stage for a deflationary collapse into 2016 (a.k.a Primary degree wave C).

I wrote then...

Bull markets do not begin when the economy is in a state of utopia. It needs that constant wall of worry, to keep the majority from participating. I think the housing market decline over the next few years from the mania top of 2005 will provide fresh fodder for the bears to worry and the wall of worry for the bull market to climb. In my opinion, the housing and the deteriorating economic fundamentals going forward will be the hook which will keep the majority from participating in the bull market going forward.

Which is precisely what's been happening. What have we been hearing and reading over the last 9 months ? - Housing, subrpime, blow-up, recession......

I wrote then....

Now will the bears concede defeat if DOW makes ATH ? Bookmark this - DOW ATH will only make the bears more bearish. If DOW ATH were to occur, then the argument will shift to the massive inter-market divergences between the DOW, S&P and the Nasdaq. So the bears will start arguing that Nasdaq and S&P made their secular tops in 2000, but DOW is making it's secular top in 2006. In other words, the bearish sentiment will rise to all time highs, with the all time highs in DOW. Bottomline is as the market advances from here, the sentiment which is already extremely bearish will only start getting even worse. Bears have been arguing that Fed has painted itself into a corner. In reality, it's the bears who have painted themselves into a corner here, if the DOW were to make ATH. They can neither remain bearish nor can they turn bullish. The real capitulation would only come later with ATHs in SPX.


What does the sentiment look like right now ? We made all time highs on the SPX, but hardly any excitement out there. The bear caucus haven't changed a bit. They still keep talking about the sectoral fundamentals such as housing, sub-prime,etc and DOW:GOLD ratio charts or SPX:EURO ratio charts. The most comical and ethically disturbing way of fooling their subscriber base by some permabear gurus, by showing the DOW:GOLD ratio charts continues. Now did these permabear gurus project a DOW:GOLD long term top in 2000 or the price top ? During the 2002 bottom, they were unequivocally talking about DOW 4000 and DOW 400. Yes, they were talking absolute price then. Now the the absolute price projections don't mean anything. It's the ratio stupid ! Wish my grocery bills were ratio adjusted, my home mortage ratio adjusted, my vacation bills ratio adjusted. Talk about vindication.....Oh well ! Well, hate me for saying it like it is. Anyway, i said the real capitualtion would come only after the ATH in SPX. Boy, was i wrong. The LT sentiment only keeps getting worse, while the ST sentiment keeps vacillating.


Now just imagine what would happen to the sentiment, if we see a 200 point decline in SPX ! - That's it...that's the fuel we would need for the next leg of the bull market !